En que posicion va el volante en la columna de Direccion????

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En que posicion va el volante en la columna de Direccion????

Notapor m606paz » 02 Nov 2010, 12:53

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Traslado esta discusion planteada en G503 ,(se ve que no tienen mucho para hacer!! :roll: ) para que opinen en que posicion se coloca el volante cuando se monta en la columna de direccion.
Al menos en los jeeps, el volante cuenta con 3 rayos.
Algunos dicen que un rayo debe estar orientado a las 12 horas(siguiendo el parametro de las agujas de un reloj).
Otros dicen que uno rayo debe estar a las 6 horas.
Opinen y justifiquen por que va de una forma y no de otra.:D :D

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Personalmente, monte el volante del M606 con un rayo a las 9 horas. El motivo es que quedando asi, no me quita visibilidad en el unico intrumento que hay en el tablero!! :wink:

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Notapor charlie s. » 02 Nov 2010, 23:42

Huuuuuuuuyyyyyyy,
la pegué !!!! Creo que uno de los rayos va a las 12 horas.
En caso de un choque, se supone que la panza ó el pecho, golpearán con los otros 2 rayos y evitándose clavarse uno de los rayos.
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Notapor ecn1960 » 03 Nov 2010, 07:36

Pero como Charlie?? No tenes Air-bag??
Para mi va con un rayo a las 12hs, la justificacion: no se, personalmente encuentro la posicion comoda para el manejo, con las manos apoyadas en los rayos inferiores.
El Ika (cuando circulaba :roll: ) estaba armado asi.
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Notapor m606paz » 03 Nov 2010, 08:16

Hola Amigos!
Gracias por participar! :D
Yo tampoco sabia la posicion del Vonalnte ni tampoco la habia analizado! :cry:

Pero me llamo la atencion el analisis de G503

Por un lado el argumento que escribio Charlie

Marty, SoCal escribió:I'm not sure which way is "Correct original", but my high school shop teacher said (1978!) that you should install it with the center spoke going up, in case of an accident, the spoke may come loose and skewer your belly if it's pointed down! That's the way I install it.


Y Tambien se pusieron a analizar si en los manuales habia referencia al tema .. :shock:


Carsten escribió:Guys...

I concur with Ben, the TM9-803 says to install steering wheel, so that one spoke is vertical above steering post, but...

TM9-1803B of April 1944, page 119 (Steering gear and drag link, assembly) says:

(5) INSTALL STEERING WHEEL (fig. 97). Slide the steering column bearing spring and spring seat on the shaft. With the front wheels in a straight ahead position, place the steering wheel on the shaft with the center spoke in a vertical position and facing downwards...

Also...

TM-10-1513 of May 15, 1942, page 113 (Steering) says:

...The steering wheel spoke with moulded trade mark on underside will point down toward drivers seat and in line with the steering post. If not it will be necessary to remove the steering wheel and shift it on the serrations of the shaft.

I think most pictures of jeeps beeing driven of the assembly line, shows the steering wheel with one spoke pointing down, but that is hardly possible to draw any rock hard conclusions from, as only a small turning of 60 degrees of the steering wheel, will change the picture...

2 manuals against 1 - until other evidence shows up, i'll be having my steering wheel with one of the spokes facing down!


Ben Dover escribió:I'll still rely on the latest TM for the 1/4 Ton Truck, also if one wants to check out TM9-8012, Jan. 56 for the M-38, Page 277 "with one spoke at the top, pointing straight towar the front of the vehicle"....and TM9-8014, April 1955 for the M-38A1, Page 270 "with one spoke straight forward"...
There are always going to be "Jeep lemmings" in the hobby who will follow anything but the correct and obvious regardless of what is noted in the latest official manuals. :wink:


Hasta aqui lo que decian los manuales de la Willys....y Ford?? :roll:

Chuck Lutz escribió:Ford TM 10-1349 Jan 30, 1942 - spoke at 6:00 o'clock
Ford TM 10-1349 Mar 30, 1942 - spoke at 6:00 o'clock
TM 9-803 Feb. 1944 - spoke at 12:00 o'clock
TM 9-1803B April 1944 - spoke at 6:00 o'clock


TM 9-8014 - for the M38 - April 1955 - spoke at 12:00 o'clock

So if you aren't sufficiently confused yet, you can put it at the 6:00 o'clock position at least up to Feb. 1944 as per the TM 9-803 when it then calls for it to be at the 12:00 o'clock position....

THEN....as of April 1944, the TM 9-1803C..which calls for it at the 6:00 o'clock position...."supercedes these:
TM 10-1103 20 Aug, 1941
TM 10-1207 20 Aug, 1941
TM 10-1349 3 Jan, 1942
TM 10-1513 Change 1 dated 15 Jan, 1943

To me that means that from the TM 9-803 Feb. 1944 until the TM 9-1803B of April 1944 you put the spoke at 12:00 o'clock.....before and after that it goes at 6:00 o'clock....until 1955 anyway....so if your jeep is set up as a period jeep from WWII or better yet as a factory resto, you only have two month window where the spoke goes UP....and that is straight from the Ordnance Maintenace Manual. If you are setting your jeep in the mid to late 50's and it is an M38 it goes at the 12:00 o'clock position.....the last dated manual I am aware of is the April 1944 TM 9-1803B and it calls for the 6:00 o'clock position....


Chuck Lutz escribió:The TMs all except ONE say "one SPOKE down"....the M38 TM from 1955 is not relevant for a WWII jeep in WWII anyway, so if Ford, Willys TMs as well as the "ORDNANCE MAINTENANCE" manual all call for the spoke in the same direction....perhaps....as we have seen time and time again, the Feb 1944 TM 9-803 calling for it to be in the UP direction is just....another of the many mistakes in that manual....you know, the SAME one that tells you to install the pistons so the oil is directed in the WRONG direction?

Now if there is speculation that there are some missing change orders, until they are found and published, no amount of maybe, wanna, sorta or other wishful thinking is going to be more important than remembering that...."the TM is the bible". Now if you HAVE a MWO or service bulletin that states this, then that is something else....however for a factory restoration, up to the date of that directive, the spoke would be in the SOWN position as the "TM Bible" calls for it.


En fin, muchas ideas y comentarios justificados,no? :shock:

Si quieren seguir el post estes es el link http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.ph ... 56#p998356

Y Charly como monto el volante en la columna de Direccion???

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